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you changed the world, lou. all right, that does it all for "the cycle." now time for another lou reed fan. martin bashir. >> thank you so much, toure. good afternoon, it's monday october the 28th. and when it comes to the affordable care act, quitters never win, and winners never quit. >> the obama administration is trying to take back the narrative on health care. >> the site isn't working the way it's supposed to yet. if you're in a rush, consider using our low-res website. with simpler fonts and graphics. >> this new paradigm has been bet attea tested, unlike the ob care website. >> did a pheasant hunt with steve king can . >> he was talking about clerking previously for the supreme court. >> no, no, no, no! should be talking about iowa football. >> very important we bring in a new generation of leadership. last year we got whipped.
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>> the regular an revolution. >> in the end, he did more harm. >> big difference, putting people first, as opposed to some abstract philosophy. >> a lot of work to be done. >> they spent the last few years denying people access to health insurance. >> what complete poppycock. >> you've got to run, run, run. ♪ ♪ run run run run >> good afternoon to you on this monday. the pressure is on and the clock is ticking. in our high-stakes week for the white house, as they try to reclaim the narrative on the affordable care act. throughout the week, cabinet officials will fan out across the country, hitting ten cities to boost enrollment, including a stop by the president himself in boston on wednesday. that, of course, is the same day that republicans will finally get their chance to grill hhs secretary, kathleen sebelius. as she testifies on capitol hill.
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and i'm absolutely sure they will have nothing but positive and constructive things to say. >> the incompetencies in building this website is staggering. >> why didn't she know that the president's signature, legislation, was, in fact n trouble? >> let's get rid of this failure, and let's start over with something that will work. >> okay. or not. i guess they're staking their hopes on the forthcoming ryan care rollout. and in his weekly address, the president exhibited a touch of healthy skepticism about republicans' new-found concern for those in need of health coverage. >> that's why it's also interesting to see republicans in congress expressing so much concern that people are having trouble buying health insurance through the new website. especially considering they spent the last few years so obsessed with denying those same people access to health insurance, that they just shut down the government and threatened default over it. >> and not only are republicans busy denying health care to millions, and denying the impact
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of their reckless shutdown, they're also denying their own recent history. yes, leave it to former president, bill clinton, to offer a gentle reminder, as he defended the health care law on sunday in virginia. >> look at america today. we have got to implement this health care law the computer deal will get fixed up. don't worry about that. everybody has forgotten, by the way, that when president george w. bush, a republican, put that medicare part d drug program in, it was more unpopular than the health care law, and they had terrible problems with the computers. >> terrible problems with computers. you see? but never fear. our 30 rock neighbors over at "saturday night live," they got the answers. >> if our site keeps freezing, we've also provided links to other helpful websites, such as kayak.com. where you can purchase airline tickets to canada and buy
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cheaper prescription drugs. >> now, listen. canada has already given us ted cruz, so i think they've done just about enough. let's get right to our panel. with us from washington is dana milbank, political columnist for "the washington post." msnbc analyst and former are rnc chair, michael steele. and in san francisco, msnbc contributor and president of voter latino, maria teresa kumar. the troubles with the affordable care act website go beyond being parroted on "saturday night live." health sites woes could dissuade vital enrollee, the young and healthy. they write in its worst iteration, it could lead to a death spiral on falling enrollment and climbing prices. the president, dana, is sending his cabinet on the road. about you how much time is there to turn the tide before what have been glitches on the website become a real enrollment
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problem, do you think? >> well, nobody knows for sure. the administration has set itself a target of the end of next month. i mean, people generally tend to say it's within a four to eight-week period. you know, it's way too early to be talking about a death spiral. but if you don't get the young and the healthy signing up, and already they've had to postpone the penalties for not signing up. if you don't get those people signing up, all you're going to get is the older and the sicker signing up. and then it's just not going to be economically viable. that's still a theoretical problem and as president clinton said, at this point a computer problem as opposed to a health care problem. >> right. michael, i know the words death spiral send thrills up republicans' spines. but consider this chart, showing the paltry early enrollment for romney care in massachusetts followed by an explosion as the penalty kicked in. doesn't that counter the republican cries to delay the individual mandate, which would
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ultimately, as you know, ensure lower enrollment and therefore higher costs for everyone? >> i mean, it may, martin. to the extent that you do have an example on a small scale in the state of massachusetts of how the enrollment process unfolded there, they did not have the same level or degree of implementation issues that we see on a scale such as the united states. but i think dana raises the more important point, and that is getting younger to get into the system is going to be difficult to do. because it's not just with getting them signed up, but really getting them to appreciate why they need to sign up and why they need this health care. because they generally believe they don't. so there's -- there are stages of problems that this whole process will run into. i've always said republicans need to be measured in their response, let the democrats own this whole thing as much as possible. and then on the back end, look at what needs to be fixed and how you go oh about fixing it, because you still have to put something on the table if you
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want to take a piece out, you've got to put another piece in to replace it. or fix it. so i think that this whole process in time over the next two or three months will unfold. but it's a mess right now. democrats and republicans, the white house and the congress both realize that this is a problem that needs to get fixed if they want this thing to have any survivability beyond its initial implementation. >> i think we all agree with that, michael. but don't you think the history onics have been premature, engaging various government departments. yes, there was a disastrous rollout of the website. but the actual provision of health care in ways that previously people couldn't get, that surely is something we must support. >> oh, yeah, we do support that. but no one really knows what the bottom line costs of that are going to be longer-term. again, as dana pointed out, if you don't get the young insured in to buy into this, then you're going to have a problem in terms of the cash flow. >> sure, but if you do -- >> well, if you do, that's
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great. but you still don't -- you still -- you still have the problem, martin, of sticker shock, which a lot of folks are coming into realization on right now in terms of, okay, yeah, i've got a low premium, but i've got a $12,000 deductible for a family of four. so there are all these pieces that will come into play, as people come online and buy into this thing. employers and insureds alike and we'll see how it works out. right now, i think it's a big question mark. >> okay. maria theresa, some are jumping on a statement by white house press secretary jay carney today as alleged proof that the president is seizing health care from honest americans. take a listen to this. >> there are going to be changes brought about by the affordable care act to create minimum standards. maternity care is covered, prevent active services are comfort, mental health services are covered. the insurance policy you buy doesn't have an annual limit or lifetime limit. so it's true that there are existing health care plans on the individual market that don't
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meet those minimum standards, and therefore, do not qualify for the affordable care act. >> so people won't be able to be ripped off by substandard plans. what a pit. but is this the line of -- is this line of attack proof that the website will be fixed and republicans then will really have to move on? >> not only do they realize that. let's take a step back and see who they put ahead now to fix this -- the computer glitch. it's jeff zients. jeff zients headed up the advisory board, a health care company that pulled together best practices in the health care industry. so he knows what he's talking about. not only when it comes to health care, but also he knows what he's talking about when it comes to product development and deployment. so i think what we need to do is take a step back. it's not about a website. it's all of a sudden millions of americans all of a sudden can go ahead and deploy and get health care, downloading a form, calling a 1-800 number or find out lolley at their local state website. so there is different levels of enrollment. what the republican party is trying to do right now,
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unfortunately, is they are trying to do smoke and mirrors, saying that because the website is broken, all of a sudden you don't have access to health care. that's simply not true. and back to what dana was talking about. it's incredibly possibility right now for young people to enroll. and the white house has been doing something strategically smart. they have been enlisting a lot of different celebrities, everyone from karen peri to common to different celebrities who have front row access saying look, we need you to enroll. they're going out and talking to "cosmos" magazine, saying we understand we need a different strategy and let's deploy it. they recognize that in california, florida, and texas alone, there are -- in each respective state, martin, there are over 2 million young people that need to enroll. and so by working closely with the california exchange, for example, they recognize they're going to start building -- they need at least 7 million young people to enroll. just by hits those three states they could not only get them enrolled but have them tell
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their friends and families about it. >> final question to you, dana. does this situation in your view, and i am asking you to be dana, the prophet now. >> dana likes that. >> yeah, i know he does. do you think this is going to work out, dana? >> it's going to work out one way or another. >> well, i mean, positively in the way the administration would like it to. >> it has to work out, because, you know, once these sorts of entitlement programs get into place, and people realize what's there, they want to keep it. so the republicans are not going to be able to repeal it wholesale. that doesn't mean we're not going to see a lot more fury. the difference between the medicare prescription drugs, between the romney care in massachusetts, you didn't have a group working so actively to dismantle the entire thing as it goes along. but it gets harder and harder, despite the glitches, to do that, because people are going to actually start receiving benefits. >> thank you for pointing out the good work of the republicans over the last three years.
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thank you all. coming up, put iing a human face on the u.s. drone wall. we'll talk to one family taking their story of personal loss from pakistan to capitol hill when we come back. ♪ [ male announcer ] pepcid® presents: the burns family dinner. why would i take one pepcid® when i could take tums® throughout the day when my heartburn comes back? 'cause you only have to take one... [ male announcer ] don't be like the burns. just one pepcid® complete works fast and lasts.
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nbc news confirmed this afternoon that a drone strike in somalia has killed two leader of al shabaab, the terror organization behind the west gate shopping mall attack in kenya that left more than 70 dead. top u.s. military officials say a man named anta, al shabaab's top explosives expert, is among the dead. as with all drone strikes, the
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full impact is difficult to verify, because the program remains highly confidential, and the strikes tend to take place in regions far away from the borders of this country. but tomorrow, one family will bring their story to the very heart of congress as they share with lawmakers what happened on october the 24th of last year. a date when they say their family was suddenly obliterated by a series of drone strikes in pakistan. rafik raymond and his two surviving children are the subject of a new documentary entitled "unmanned: america's drone wars." and i had the opportunity of speaking with them earlier today, as well as the film maker, robert greenwald. and i began by asking the family to describe the experience of that day and what has become ground zero for america's drone program. >> translator: i had noticed that in the allotted area for my family members, there was a newly dug grave. so i at that moment knew
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something had happened. and i was very worried. i had walked into the center of the village and i saw some young children, so i asked them what happened. whose funeral is getting prepared? and they said that it was latif rahman's mother, she had been hit by a drone and at that moment i knew my mother passed away as he is my older brother. i came -- i was under a full shock and i just wanted to faint. i felt as if a limb had been cut off from me for losing my mother. we saw two missiles going like this, down into the ground. at that moment, it had become as if we couldn't tell the difference between night and day. it became dark all of a sudden, and we heard an explosion sound. and i could hear my grandmother crying. i had noticed in my left leg, there was a sudden pain, and it was just increasing. i was so scared that all i could think of doing was just running. but the pain was just very hard
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to bear. >> translator: it was eve day and my grandmother and i were at home getting prepared, and she said come out, let's go out to collect the okra in the fields. she was showing me how to tell the difference between a ripe okra and ones that still needed time to grow. then i had heard after a while, i heard a dum-dum noise and i saw these two missiles come hit the ground. everything was dark. i couldn't see anything. but i heard a cry. and next thing i knew, i started seeing blood coming out of my hand. i tried to wipe it away with my shawl, but the blood wouldn't stop. the blood just kept coming out. and i was just so scared, all i could think of doing was just running. i didn't know where to run, but i just was running and trying to wipe the blood away. >> translator: when i went there to the house, i saw all of my neighbors and my relatives. they were all mourning. and i was asking them that where is my mother's body, i want to see her face. they wouldn't let me see her face. they said that you don't want to see it. because later i found out that
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the drone had blown her to pieces. >> robert, i have to say, it's a remarkable film that you've put together. >> thank you. >> what motivated you to make this film? >> i was in pakistan, and i was interviewing and researching, and investigating and filming. and i talked to person after person. and the stories i heard were so radically different than the perceptions in the united states, what the traditional media was reporting. and when i met this extraordinary family of educators whose grandmother was killed, i connected emotionally. everyone has a mother, everyone has a grandmother. and i felt honor-bound to do whatever i could to tell the story using film and to try to bring these people to the united states. the help of people like you and others and alan grayson, where there will be a briefing tuesday, to gain a wide audience for their story. >> the american government argues that these drone strikes,
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if that's what happened in your case, are carefully planned and extremely accurate. is that your experience? >> translator: well, i'm not sure about how accurate they are. but i know in our case that we are a family of teachers. so if they're trying to target people, i don't know why they would be targeting my mother and my children. and a family of teachers. >> but do you, rafik, accept that in areas of waziristan and ba luke stan, there are large numbers of separatist groups, terror groups. and was it not in waziristan that the terrorist, ba tilla ma so you had, was actually killed by a drone strike? is there not good reason for the americans to attack these areas, because of the presence of so many terror groups oh?
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>> translator: i've heard of taliban. i've heard of it associated with afghanistan. i've heard massoud, but i'm just a teacher. i'm not a politician. >> from 2004, president sharif was cooperating with the americans. we know that sharif was cooperating with these drone strikes. if there is an objection to what's been happening, shouldn't your objections be addressed to your own government, who appear to have cooped with this administration? >> translator: i spoke to my local agent, my local political officer, and i filed a complaint about this. and they sent me a letter that said yes, what has happened to you is very sad. and it was probably done by mistake. but we are not the ones that you should be speaking to. you should be speaking to the americans. >> do you accept, robert, that
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the administration itself is now reducing the number of drone strikes. the president has already said that he wishes to transfer management of this program from the cia to the military. are you satisfied that these steps are at least moving in the right direction in terms of accountability and transparency? >> i hope so. but better is not good enough. because we're starting an extraordinary low level, a policy that is morally wrong and a policy that by all evidence is not making us safer. so i welcome the steps, but a lot more needs to be done. innocent people are being killed. there must be investigations. and the policy must change. >> are these drone strikes deterring terrorists, or are they having the opposite effect in inciting terrorists? >> translator: in my world, where i'm just a teacher, i've
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noticed that ever since the drones have started, that families are scared to send their children to school. not out of fear of a terrorist, but out of fear these drones will come on to their children. before in my school, i used to teach 50 children. now i only teach 20 on a good day. no one wants to send their children there. no one wants to play outside. no one wants to play soccer anymore. no one wants to play cricket anymore. what i believe is, yes, such events can create hatred. but you cannot cure hatred with hatred. >> rafik raymond and his family will be appearing before members of congress tomorrow in an attempt to personalize the impact of america's drone program. when we come back, a member of congress will join us to discuss national security and the moral drone dilemma. stay with us. ♪
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which is far less than 117 attacks we apparently waged in the region in 2010. and according to memos obtained by the "washington post," top government officials in pakistan have secretly collaborated with the u.s. on many of these attacks. while the u.s. has officially said that very few civilians have been killed in these strikes, human rights organization, amnesty international, released a report last week in which they found that between july 2012 and may of this year, drone strikes in pakistan have claimed the lives of at least 30 civilians. however, the view of many americans continues to fall in line with that of representative peter king of new york. >> as far as the use of drones, the fact is, every war, there is collateral damage. unfortunately, innocent people are killed. but the efforts the u.s. takes
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to protect innocent lives i say is unprecedented. the fact is, this has kept americans alive, also helped people in the middle east. so i think we should stop being apologetic about drones. >> of course, there are others oh who say we should start being apologetic. and i'm joined by representative rush holt, a democrat from new jersey. good afternoon, sir. >> martin, thank you. >> thank you for joining us. tomorrow, rafik raymond, who we just saw earlier in our broadcast, will brief select members of congress on the death of his mother and the injuries subjected to his children. is it your hope that by putting a face on the impact of these attacks, the administration may be minded to use drones much less frequently and much more transparently? >> well, yes, that is my hope. they should be used very rarely. you know, when rafik raymond talks about this, he says no one has told him why his mother was killed. and in a particularly horrific death. when death strikes from the sky,
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there is no proportionality. it is not commensurate with any military need. you know, and it -- >> so when peter king says we should stop apologizing that these attacks are justified, that they protect this nation from future potential terror attacks, you say? >> i say no. i say this -- that they are -- well, as the film maker says, immoral. probably illegal. under international law, the military means have to be commensurate with the threat. when you're killing civilians and, indeed, civilians are being killed, that is different from, as representative king says, the ordinary collateral damage of war. these are deliberately targeted people. now, i presume in the case of rafik raymond's mother, this was
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a mistake, an accident. i doubt that this grandmother was targeted. but somebody was targeted. it was a very deliberate act. it's why we abhor weapons of mass destruction, because you can't -- you can't account for -- you can't prevent the damage, the death, of innocence. >> several republicans -- >> and that is what's happening here. i have observed the targeting process. and people involved are very well-intentioned. they want to protect america's -- the safety of americans back home. but it is just rife with the possibility of error. >> several republicans like congressman pete king are at ease with the way the program is loosely managed. but since it's relatively cheap, comparatively accurate and without risks to american
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personnel, doesn't this remove an important inhi business that normally applies to the use of extreme violence. isn't that precisely why this program needs tore transferred from the cia to the military with proper accountability? >> well, the reason for the transfer, i think, is different. and i'll be happy to get into that. but this becomes very mechanical, very removed. of course we want to protect our military people from being killed. but we don't want to turn ourselves, our nation, into a killing machine. and all the world sees this, and thinks, well, america must believe they are above the law. america must believe that innocents are without value. and that is very costly to us in the long run. now, i do think it should be taken away from the cia. the cia over the decades has become much more a paramilitary organization than an intelligence organization.
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i find that very troubling. the cia should not be executing warfare. it should be helping policymakers and leaders helping them get the intelligence they need to avoid war. so, yes, it should be taken away from the cia. it should be put in a chain of command, where it is not gs-13s who are deciding, you know, making the decision of whether there is sufficient evidence. >> representative rush holt, thank you, sir, for joining us. >> thank you. stay with us. ed the day's top lines are coming up, featuring a fund-raiser to end all fund-raisers. they said it, not me. >> there are a lot of people who would like to see me and you, i notice. >> that would be great -- >> that would be a fund-raiser to end them all, wouldn't it? ♪ rise up this morning
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say it with milk-bone. from steve king's bird dog to ted cruz's poppycock. here are today's top lines. tally ho. >> i'm really pleased to welcome senator ted cruz here. >> i feel like a bird dog on opening day. >> this is one of the richest things i get to do in this life. >> i always say that's like a bird dog on opening day. >> there is nothing more eager than a bird dog on opening day, except maybe you and me. >> what are you looking forward to most with the hunt? and you said that you've never hunted before. >> i've always been, if you will, a rodent and rabbit hunter, all right. small varmints, if you will. >> i have hunted birds and quail. >> i enjoy hunting, but in the world of experienced hunters. >> it's not really big game hunting. >> i don't stack up.
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>> various types of small roden roden rodents. >> it's a dangerous comparison on a lot of fronts. >> i would say that in the end, he did more harm. >> was it a bonding experience? >> sure. >> i fell in love with these barettas. >> didn't do a very good job. >> i wanted so badly to buy that gun. >> what do you think the republican party is going to do now? what do you think the next step is for the republicans? >> well, i think there is plenty of time to focus on specific tactics. >> it is one thing to have a goal. >> we need to keep more focus on obama care and how it is hurt g hurting. >> i think it's very important we bring in a new generation of leadership. >> where do we go from here? >> i think after the presidential election last year, you know, we got whipped. >> i've been a hunter pretty much all my life. >> i'm not a golfer. >> obviously, you're not a golfer. >> when you hunt with people, it builds a special bond. >> unlike the democratic party which has leaders. >> a lot of work to be done, no question about it. >> there isn't a leader in the republican party. >> what complete poppycock.
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>> i think we've got a long way to go, obviously. >> that's my agenda. let's go hunting. >> let's get right to our panel, joining us now is goldie taylor, columnist for thegrio.com and msnbc contributor and ryan grim of "the huffington post." gold goldie, over the weekend, you had him shooting off a baretta or dick cheney firing off from his mouth. how did republicans get so lucky to have these two as their main leaders? >> i think they got lucky because there are no leaders in the republican party today. in fact, you're seeing them in a three-way splet. ted cruz is over on the steve king end of the party. and dick cheney is out there trying to rewrite history. it's awfully curious to me that we don't often talk about the bush years if you're in republican company. it's as if he was never president and if dick cheney was never vice president. we skip our way back to ronald reagan. but if you were to focus on those years and some of the real abuses of that administration,
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that's a conversation that they don't really want to have. i've got great respect, i have to say, for dick cheney and this new book about his progression along heart disease and all of these issues he has had. but i've got a fair amount of disrespect for how he has tried to recast the narrative around the bush years. you know, it's going to be awfully interesting in the coming days. >> yeah. now, ryan, this weekend's pheasant hunt in iowa reminded us of a hunting trip in 2006 when the great dick cheney shot a man in the face. have we got a picture of his victim? yes, there he is. texas attorney harry whittington whose face was riddled with bird shot. let's see how senator cruz recalls this particular event to his host. take a listen. >> a lot of people don't know two weeks that followed, there were more than 200 calls to texas parks and wildlife to see how much a license to shoot a public lawyer.
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>> the way i understood it -- [ inaudible ] >> it happens. >> yeah, look. it happens. ryan, can you believe the compassion this man has for people? for a man who was shot in the face, after all? >> look, he says that whittington is a friend of his. and he lived. what a lot of people don't know is that he nearly died. he had, you know, some of those pellets were very close to his heart. and he was in intensive care for a while. this was not like, you know, he just scraped a few pellets out and they laughed and went on. but it's a couple years ago and if he's friends -- and also, this is the thing that powerful people are allowed to do. they're allowed to shoot their friends in the face, and then laugh about it later. so, you know, this is kind of in line with, you know, the way elites have been treating people with slightly less power for centuries. >> and goldie, to that point, isn't this the attitude one should expect from a man who
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gets platinum health cover through his wife's job at goldman sachs? >> you know, that's actually curious. that both ted cruz and dick cheney, for example, have the maserati of all health care plans but they're the very same kinds of people who would like to keep millions of people away from the affordable care act and away from healthcare.gov, where they can obtain access to some quality basic care in this country. you know, for a more reasonable price than is readily available to them today. and so i think that is quite curious that something like that would be the kind of narrative they would advance. >> ryan, here's dick cheney talking about republican senator mike enzi of wyoming. mr. enzi, as you know, is the republican incumbent that mr. cheney is trying to force out in favor of his daughter, elizabeth. take a listen to this. >> mike also said he and i are fishing buddies, which is simply not true. never happened. the fact of the matter is, washington is not going to elect the next senator from wyoming. the people of wyoming will elect
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that senator. >> ryan, what does mr. enzi's status as a fishing buddy of mr. cheney have to do with the battle for control of the senate next year? >> well, this is apparently -- you know, the only race in the country or on the planet where closeness to dick cheney is actually viewed as an asset electorally. but that's what -- that's what cheney thinks, though. and apparently, that's what enzi thinks, at least among some wyoming and other national donors. but there's a much more interesting dynamic happening out there, which is that liz cheney is trying to run on the wave of the tea party. and dick cheney is trying to kind of cast her as that -- she's the grass roots tea party candidate against the washington establishment of mike enzi. but liz cheney is not a tea partier. she is a neo con, and they're very different wings of the conservative movement and you're seeing them collide and it's
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going to be fascinating to watch it play out. >> let's hope nobody goes shooting. thank you both. coming up, republicans would love everyday to be a glitch-filled groundhog day. fortunately, the president has another agenda. >> some people have poked fun at me this week for sounding like an insurance sales mapp. and that's okay. i would still be out there championing this law, even if the website were perfect. >> i sell insurance. >> what a shock. >> do you have life insurance? because if you do, you can always use a little more. am i right or am i right or am i right? right, right, right. ♪ here we go yo ♪ so what's the scenario americans take care of business. they always have. they always will. that's why you take charge of your future. your retirement. ♪ ameriprise advisors can help you like they've helped millions of others.
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millions of americans are visiting healthcare.gov, which is great news. unfortunately, the site was only designed to handle six users at a time. so if you're in a rush, consider using our low-res website. with simpler fonts and graphics. >> almost four weeks into the healthcare.gov rollout, and we still haven't heard all the jokes. hours before "saturday night
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live" took aim at kathleen sebelius, her health and human services department tried to put a fresh spin on the current narrative. noting that the data services hub, which is the central routing mechanism for the whole operation, has received almost 700,000 applications, with more than 330,000 users filing requests for tax credits. the announcement even noted the data services hub as a model of efficiency and security. and so, just as you would expect, the data services hub crashed the next day. only to come back early this morning. joining us now, here in new york, is ezra klein of the "washington post" and brad woodhouse, president of americans united for change. ezra, you've co written a very helpful piece where you attempt to calm down the kind of histrionics and hysteria around this website by pointing to an historical precedent where a difficult rollout was followed by deep and widespread appreciation for policy changes.
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pray tell. >> when you want to feel better you think about the prescription drug benefit. utter disaster. the website doesn't go live for three weeks after it was supposed to begin. the initial excuse the bush administration offers is it's yoem kip pure. >> nice. i have not heard that. >> and it did not go after. the early months are very bad. in february of 2005, john boehner, now majority leader says the rollout is horrendous but they are able to write it in time and the law ends up working and today more than 90% of seniors are satisfied with it. so that is to the white house kind of the hope of what they can achieve here. they can fix this in time, and get it right, then a year, two year, three, five years down the road, people are going to remember there were some website glitches, but it will be a war story about the law. it won't be its defining attribute. >> no doubt.
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brad, let me play you something president bill clinton said over the weekend about the constant refrain about republican attacks against the rollout. take a listen. >> you don't basically whip up on a racial group, an ethnic group, inflame people about women's health, misstate the facts to justify denying access to health care. it incites people, but it doesn't get a darn thing done. >> brad, we spent last week searching for paul ryan's alternative to the affordable care act. we even tried to buy the ryan care domain. it was suddenly purchased immediately after our broadcast. so is the republican plan lots of abuse but never any alternative? >> well, that's exactly right. and i think -- i'm sure ezra has looked into this. republicans in the past have maybe come up with a plan that would cover 1 million or 2 million people, but it would leave millions and millions
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without any -- without any coverage. but now they're not even offering a plan. their strategy is really a political one. it's to beat up on the president. it was to shut down the government to try to kill obama care. and now it's to go after these website glitches to try to sully obama care. but they're not willing to offer anything, because the truth is, they could never reach consensus on anything that would actually help the american people because their right wing is so extreme. >> finally, should we look forward from republicans to the 43rd attempt to repeal the affordable care act in the 19 days remaining in congress this year? >> i think you'll see a lot of attempts now to delay. the individual mandate is where they're going to focus. >> ezra klein, brad woodhouse, wish we had more time. we'll be back in a moment. ♪
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a final note to mark the passing of one of the most inventive musicians of the modern era. lou reed, who died yesterday. born in brooklyn, new york, lou reed taught himself to play the guitar as a child. by the age of 14, had cut his first record with a group called the jades. but his early years also presented many challenges. his parents sent him to a psychiatric hospital to undergo electro convulsive therapy to cure him of what they believed to be his homosexual instincts and hostility to the world. yet none of this would curb or undermine his creative genius.
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he co founded the velvet underground, a band that produced songs like heroin and sweet jane. his subsequent solo career, including songs like walk on the wild side, only further embellished his reputation as a profoundly ambitious musician, who once said that he wanted to take crime and punishment and turn it into a rock and roll song. and he did that multiple times. ♪ oh it's such a perfect day ♪ i'm glad i spent it with you ♪ oh such a perfect day you just keep me hanging on ♪ ♪ >> a perfect day. and i'm glad that we spend it with him. lou reed, who passed away yesterday, at the age of 71.

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